Monday, August 29, 2016
"When I have my own parish, I will do what our Archbishop has told us to do,
but for now our pastor has told me that I can't use the sanctus bells and
I can't say the prayer for vocations on Sunday",
as Archbishop Schnurr has directed all priests to do.
But no one can enter a strong man’s house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man.
then God bless you. If you have, well I hope you are able to witness a happy ending.
My family and I are members of a Catholic Parish in Bridgetown, Cincinnati, Ohio. Over the past 3 and a half years our parish has gone through the change of Life and coupled with the death of my father, it is safe to say these are the most trying years of my life.
Please click the e-mails below to view them at a readable size. The correspondence was received in response to a letter I sent to Bishop Joseph Binzer. Most of the time when I send a note to his Eminence, I copy the priests in our parish. I do that because as a father, I was taught that it is common courtesy to keep all parties informed; more or less so that they don't think you are usurping their authority and I have found that most of the time I am providing those individuals with information that they are unaware of. For the rest of the story please skip down to the letter I am sending to Bishop Binzer.
* Please note, I have been mailing Bishop Binzer since 2009. He has asked me to call him Joe, we agreed I would go as far as Father. I have provided Bishop Binzer with a cheat sheet so that he can fill in the blanks; as I have left out the names to make His Eminence's job less stressful.
Catholic Pastor Says:
" Are these people for effing real? "
Catholic Pastor Says:
"This guy has been blocked as spam because he is nuts. Who sent this to me?"
As you know I am a parishioner at --1--. A year ago I sent out information regarding a story that came out of Portland. Here and Here. I guess it was important because our site was picked up by Pewsitter, a large Catholic news Blog. We were pretty stoked, because every time they pick up a story many people are driven to our site. We sent a few links out to --2--. As you can read above, he was less than impressed. Though our facts were well researched, truthful they were, --2-- seemed quite perturbed that we would presume to send them his way. My family and I were taken aback since we had a great relationship with --3--, our "priest in training".
Why do we bother to ask for your help with this rude e-mail?
We are asking for help, because these e-mails display a pattern.
When someone refuses to speak to me, or treats me like a second class citizen, I look to discover why.
You see my wife and I have been members at --1-- for more than 25 years. We have 5 kids. The oldest 3 have served as acolytes, lay distributors and taken communion to the sick. My youngest daughters would also like to participate as their siblings had, though we have decided that goings on at our parish need to change for that to happen.
What do I mean "goings on" ?
To begin to understand you can read my story about "The New Jerusalem Community".
Once you understand the type of progressive community TNJC was you will begin to understand the rest of the story.
If a person like --2-- had spent any time with TNJC and believed in progressive catholic-ism in the way they did, then the rest of the story becomes quite less shocking.
When --1-- was changing pastors, and --4-- had assumed the helm for 3 months until --2-- was appointed Pastor of the 2 Bridgetown Parishes, he made quite a splash. On the very first morning Mass he celebrated, --4-- stripped the alter of its adornments; the alter had been decorated in that way for over 4 years; alter candles, crucifix and sanctus bells. --5-- had brought our bells back into service on the anniversary of our Parish. He asked the Parish for input as to whether we wanted the bells to remain in use at Mass after the anniversary. The Parish liked the change so much that he continued the use of sanctus bells at consecration for the remainder of his tenure. --6-- and --7-- also used the sanctus bells. The only time that --1-- was without sanctus bells was from 1983 and into the middle 90's; during the tenure of --8-- and --4--. Following the sacking of our alter --4-- gave homilies where he praised the author of "the color purple", asked the students at an all school Mass to stand on their pew, in order to get a different perspective and in a separate all school Mass asked the children to OM.
In addition to all this, --4-- forbade the recitation of the Bishops prayer for vocations.
Why would --4-- feel comfortable defying his Bishop ?
When Archbishop Schnurr was appointed to the diocese of Cincinnati --4-- referred to him, in a conversation with my parents, as "a climber ".
What could I possibly have done to tick him off so bad ?
My kids asked him when would our parish get our sanctus bells back ?
He answered, "--4-- stole them, I guess we'll use them when he returns them"; isn't that hilarious ?
Seriously; telling that to a then 4th grader and a kindergartner; the 2 who wanted to serve.
Finally, --2-- told --3-- that "the good lad",that's how --2-- refers to --3--, could say Archbishop Schnurr's prayer for vocations on the week days, just not on the weekends; WHY !?
I think the answer is fairly obvious; the majority of the Parish participates in Mass on the weekend.
Well why am I writing now ?
We have a new priest at --1--. His name is --9--.
--2-- mentioned in Mass a few weeks ago that since old number 9 is older he could be trusted more to take care of the parish. Old number 9 was going to be allowed to take 3 of the 4 monthly Sunday's.
I got so excited that I stopped at the back of church to ask --9-- if he would be saying the Bishop's prayer for vocation's and would he be using the sanctus bells; I explained about my daughters.
The response, "I will say Archbishop Schnurr's Prayer for Vocations when I am pastor and I will use sanctus bells when I am pastor, but until then I have to abide by what --2-- has directed me to do".
I said, "excuse me" ? Number 9 said, "When I have my own parish, I will do what our Archbishop has told us to do, but for now --2-- has told me that I can't use the sanctus bells and I can't say the prayer for vocations on Sunday", as Archbishop Schnurr has directed all priests to do.
What do you see going on here ?
--1-- has lost a substantial amount of families; I am more than happy to give you the numbers.
The loss in families has come over the last 3 years; during --2-- tenure.
Bishop Schneider agrees with Archbishop Schnurr, in that, more is required not less. His talk is here.
--2-- needed to go to the credence table for a shot of hand sanitizer. I guess distributing the body and blood of Christ can somehow put you at risk for germs; if you haven't seen an Orthodox Communion Service click Here; they are surely not afraid of germs; they distribute His Body and Blood on a spoon. Last week the Chalice and Ciborium were not purified during Mass; proper care of the sacred vessels Here. I have read what is required in the GIRM in other areas of the Mass that concern us.
Taken one at a time each gripe of mine can seem petty. Taken as a whole with the entire back story a pattern is easy to see.
This week old number 9 was able to start the Mass with an acolyte, say the creed, purify the dishes and preside at a Mass that didn't sound like a hootenanny. What do you think --9-- thinks when he elevates the body and blood knowing something is lacking. As an Alter Christus it is his Mass.
What must --9-- think when he knows that the Archbishop has asked him to pray for vocations and he does not, because of what can not be described in any other way as a Pastor making a power play.
What happens when --2-- is gone ? What damage will have been done ? We still live across the street.
It's our Parish too. Will Parishioners come back ?
Father, what we are asking is that you speak with our Pastor. We are asking that, if --9-- desires to use our sanctus bells, our consecration bells that have been in service most of the life of our parish,
if --9-- wants to train our acolytes how to make Mass more special for everyone then shouldn't he be permitted to do so ? If --9-- wants to abide by the wishes of our Archbishop and recite the prayer for vocations during all Masses, shouldn't he be permitted to do so ?
We appreciate anything you can do to straighten out this situation. We have made numerous attempts to speak to --2--, we even invited him to dinner twice; we received no reply.
Thanks for all you do. Today, on this The Passion of John the Baptist, is my birthday.
Per your rules in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati:
You have our permission to speak with anyone mentioned in this letter and on the footnote card.
We are not opposed to you speaking to whoever you please.
I am putting a signed copy of this into today's mail.
Sunday, August 28, 2016
Why is St. Monica St. George known as ................ "Gay Friendly" ?
This is an information page about a group in Cincinnati called The New Jerusalem Community.
This page also has information about Richard Rohr and John Quigley; they claim to be priests.
New Jerusalem Community is perhaps the best known intentional community in Cincinnati, in at least in religious circles, located t was founded by the well-known author, lecturer, and Franciscan priest Fr. Richard Rohr. He served as its leader from its beginning in 1971 until 1985. Richard Rohr went on to found the Center for Action and Contemplation and The Rohr Institute in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The New Jerusalem Community continues to be a Catholic lay group of families seeking to live out the Christian gospel in community with each other, with the working class neighborhood in which they live and with the wider world though mission projects. Currently there are about 110 adult members of the community and 45 children. https://localwiki.org/cincinnati/New_Jerusalem_Community
Click the Photos to make them larger.
Fr. Richard Rohr is giving a retreat for
and New Ways Ministry is "a gay-positive ministry of advocacy and justice for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Catholics, and reconciliation within the larger Christian and civil communities."
I posted the picture and link below because it gives more information about what the New Jerusalem Community is like. The Emmaus Community claims to have modeled itself after TNJC.
John Quigley began his pastoral and preaching ministry in 1974 as co-leader with Richard Rohr of New Jerusalem Community in Cincinnati, Ohio. In 1979-81 he studied the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius Loyola with the Jesuits of Milford, Ohio and during his time in North America conducted numerous parish renewals, conferences and days of recollection. While in Geneva, Switzerland (1998-2009) he preached frequently at the local Roman Catholic and Anglican parishes. For 28 years he has preached an annual retreat at Maggie Valley, North Carolina for groups that are mostly Roman Catholic, religious women and lay couples.
Saturday, August 27, 2016
Minneapolis mayor to marry lesbian couple
Minneapolis Mayor Hodges
Trump supporters attending the rally were punched, spit on and robbed while Trump’s Secret Service motorcade was blocked by protesters who jumped on one of the vehicles.
Mayor Hodges Is Blaming Trump Supporter Assault Victims (WCCO)
— Minnesota’s Republican Party accused Minneapolis’ mayor Wednesday of blaming the victims of a protest that turned ugly.
Friday, August 26, 2016
Thursday, August 25, 2016
Wickets are typically small, narrow doors either alongside or within a larger castle or city gate. The latter were often double gates, large and heavy, designed to allow the passage of wagons, coaches and horsemen. The purpose of wickets was to avoid the risk of having to open the main gates to the castle or city for just one or two individuals on foot. Because the wicket was only one person wide, it only allowed entry one at a time and enabled the guards to better control access.
A wicket gate is also used for a stand-alone gate that provides convenient secondary access, for example to the rear of a walled park or garden.
Wednesday, August 24, 2016
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To further bolster our point as to how wrong the founder of Stephen Ministries, Ken Haugk, is about "Antagonists", look no further than this article put out by a Pagan.
Sooner or later, as a leader of a coven or within the religious community,
you will encounter a phenomenon that saps the joy and zeal
from the most dedicated spiritual person.
It is the phenomenon that burns out the brightest fires in our community
and drives thousands of our numbers into solitary practice.
What not to do !!!
Please read this post.
Keep this question in mind:
What happens when a Pastor, such as Mr. Haugk, decides they don't want to follow the teaching of Christ, outlined below ?
What happens if, by their actions, they cause others, even children,
to follow their example ?
Are they liable ?
At that time the disciples approached Jesus and said, “Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?” and said, “Amen, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. And whoever receives one child such as this in My Name receives me.
Temptations to Sin.
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
What not to do !!!
We are posting this link so that it is easily accessible for those we are having a discussion with about a man named Kenneth C. Haugk, and his organization
. Stephen Ministries
Below is some information about Mr. Haugk.
We are opposed to his ideas of shutting someone out. Ignoring someone goes against the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, who taught:
A Brother Who Sins. “If your brother sins [against you], go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell the Church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
The Golden Rule.“Do to others whatever you would have them do to you.
This is the law and the prophets.
After the multiplication of the loaves, you can read in John:
Those present with our Lord were told, in Charity, the Truth. They were unable to accept it...
What not to do !!!
13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.
Go after people and not institutions;
people hurt faster than institutions.
The bottom line is, follow the teachings of Jesus.
Don't be so egotistical to believe you are above the teaching of our Lord.
If things don't work out, you know that Christ won't hold you responsible; Judas ignored Him.
Remember, HE came to set the world on FIRE.
HE came to put family members at odds with each other.
HE came to bring the debate.
Don't run away from it.
Pick it up.
for I Myself shall give you wisdom in speakingthat all your adversaries will be powerless to resist or refute.You will even be handed over by parents, brothers, relatives, and friends, and they will put some of you to death
Embrace the Cross.
"After recalling the apostles, they had them flogged, ordered them to stop speaking in the name of Jesus, and dismissed them. So they left the presence of the Sanhedrin, rejoicing that they had been found worthy to suffer dishonor for the sake of the name. And all day long, both at the temple and in their homes, they did not stop teaching and proclaiming the Messiah, Jesus."
Please click HERE to read more of this book on-line.
Please click the pages below to make the picture readable.
The link directly below is the information about Mr. Haugk.
Kenneth Haugk - Stephen Ministries - Catholics ......................... Abortion, Homosexuality and Women Priests
Again, we do not think that the procedure, described below, is the way to treat anyone.
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